Problems with pwn boxer setup

[lo_ud]

So I picked up Pwn Boxer today in hopes of something better for my Wow setup. Aside from a few small things I didn't care for on the start up every thing seemed simple and straight forward.

I have multiboxed for a while but never at did it long enough care about max level game play, I didn't feel I was effectively able to play 2 toons. This is where I felt Pwn Boxer would help me. However the 1st major problem I have run into was as soon as the game clients loaded. I needed the mouse broadcast aspect for 1 reason and only 1 reason,targeting AOE. Both clients have the mouse icon and they are moving to the same spots on the screen in relation to where key bindings are so this part is working correct.

My issue is the 2nd toon is a few yards behind and the AOE targeting does not hit the same spot, sure it's kind of close and might be usable but this is only part of the problem I am having. The mouse movment. When I use the mouse to move my main the 2nd toon takes off running as if the mouse was moving it. When I would simply go to look around.....the 2nd also looks around.

How on earth do I prevent the mouse on the 2nd screen from passing the left and right buttons. I'm sure I can deal with fact the pointer is never going to line up but I at least need to be able to play.



A few other things that I notice, windowed mode ????? WOW suports windowed full screen mode and thats how I have been playing with 2 monitors. I don't see a setting to adjust this with Pwn Boxer. Having my windows bar showing in the bottom of my game client......won't play like that.

I also don't see any round robin setup....right before I posted this I see others are also wondering why this was left out.

I would hope I get a response to this that will at tell me whats going on. Right now I feel a little cheated on my money.

I honestly was expecting a little more. Keyclone cost me just under 1/2 of Pwn Boxer and so far makes me think it is as good as I will get.

[Ualaa]

I'm using a different software, but I'd imagine mouse broadcasting will be rather similar in many regards across the various boxing software options.

The User Interface elements, as in your talent window, bags, addon buttons around the mini-map or on your chocolate bar/titan panel, selecting an option like entering a battleground, clicking an npc option to set your hearth point, flight paths etc... these will be in exactly the same position on every window.

The Game elements, such as monsters or other characters won't be precisely the same, as the slave(s) are following the master character.
You can save predefined camera angles, and have up to five angles saved.
/script SaveView(1)
However, since the release of Cataclysm, Warcraft forgets this value unless you set it each time you log in.
To change to an angle, use /script SetView(1);SetView(1)
You do want the double SetView, as that is an instant switch.

I don't bother with the synchronization of camera angles, as ground target AoE's are large enough to get everyone in them.

I also have keys which move the slaves but not the master, or that move only the master (slaves are on follow 99% of the time).
So I can adjust the master to back up (S) or the slaves to move forward (Up Arrow), such that they're basically on top of each other, at which point using mouse broadcasting for taking the same portal works fine.

Click to Move is a feature that is needed, for Interact With Target to allow your toons to move.
If CTM is on, then clicking somewhere on the ground will have your toon move there.
If CTM is off, then clicks will not move your toon (both buttons held, will still move your forward).
You can toggle CTM on and off, in Interface Options - Mouse Options, Check or Uncheck the option.
Alternative use this script, where 0 = off and 1 = on: /script AutoInteract 1

If CTM is on, you can press your IWT (Interact With Target) keybind (in Keybindings - Targeting Functions) to have each of your slaves (and the main, if CTM is on) automatically move to their target. If the slaves assist the master first, then they all move towards the same target, which is immensely useful for InnKeepers, Flightmasters or mobs (in the case of melee toons).

If you haven't downloaded Jamba (an addon for boxers, by a boxer) do so, you won't regret it.
Hold down ALT to move any of the windows.
Make one toon the "master", and have it add all the other toons.
Have each of the other toons add the first toon to their Jamba team list, and set that first toon as your master.
Then from the Master's window, Push Settings.
Since the others are set up to accept things from the master, they will now have the entire team on the Jamba Toon List.

Windowed Mode is generally superior for boxing.
You can go with Windowed Mode - Full Screen, and each of the windows will think it is the full screen.
Your actual window size can be whatever you want; if you run two accounts and have two monitors, they can be full monitor size on each monitor.
For mouse broadcasting to work properly, you will want the game to be rendered at the same resolution.



Keyclone gets you all the basics you will need.
I started with that program and used it for a year.

You have reliable key broadcasting.
You can network computers together.
You can whitelist/blacklist keys, such that only whitelisted keys broadcast or blacklisted keys never broadcast.
You can pause the broadcasting.
You can use hotstrings, where a different key is broadcast depending on the window in which the key is pushed, which lets you build FTL macros.

The license is good for one computer, forever.
And you can transfer your license from one computer to another, as often as you like.
If you want to run multiple computers, you need a license for each.

Keyclone has limited mouse broadcasting, but it is not accurate or fast.
PiP swaps are not fast.
If you're ok with these limitations, it's a decent program.



The top contenders for boxing programs are (in alphabetical order) probably:
- Game Commander Pro
- Hot Key Net
- IS Boxer
- Keyclone
- Pwnboxer

Of these KC is a one-time license purchase, HKN is free, and the others are all subscription based.
All but one of these have a trial period.
All will refund your money if you're not happy.
All have good support levels.

[lo_ud]

I sure hope you didn't type all that. I have all the above since day 1 and have a very good working setup across 2 screens but it still lacks the abilty to target AOE.

My main issue however was not addressed in your post. The mouse left and right buttons are being passed between windows and making it imposable to play like this as the 2nd toon will move as if the mouse is directing it.

As for the camera angle being fixed that also makes AOE pointless. If I need to cast to the the left and my main is up against a wall (the spins) this will cause the AOE being targeted on the 2nd toon will not even be in the same area. To play with a fixed camera angle on both would not let you be effective in a high speed encounter.

Currently I have 2 sets of key bindings for movment. Granted I can move my main with the mouse but I am still able to have complete control of the 2nd toons movement(granted it's keyboard movement)

I am not playing for the simple fact of the raw damage out put(granted it's retarded) I am trying to master playing to toons decently as if it were 2 different players and keep finding limits that seems like they would have been worked out for as long as people have been doing this.

[Ualaa]

In general, you don't want to play with mouse broadcasting on.
You can enable and disable this, via whatever hotkey you set.

There is no way to align your toons, in such a way that you can move them both in the same direction via the mouse, for anything but very short distances.

99% of the time, the follower/slave auto follows the main/master/active character.

If your second toon is a caster, then follow and broadcasting keys... like:
I press "2".
Macro on 2:
/cast [@focustarget] Lightning Bolt

That kind of a set up, with /cast or /castsequences is basically as optimal as you will get.
You can have creative macros, even the two step versions which are close to 90% optimal compared to one-boxing each toon.

If the secondary character is a healer, you basically approach as if they were another caster.
Possibly with two DPS sequence keys, one where the healer adds to DPS and one where they do not, which allows them to heal without having nukes interrupting their casts.
If these are castsequences for the DPS, they can be identical on both keys and will advance together.

If your secondary toon is melee based, you'll want Click to Move enabled for them. And to spam IWT. Along with whatever DPS sequence you want to go with.

If you're playing both casters and melee secondaries, that's possible too.
Basically do the same, IWT + DPS to the Melee, and don't have that IWT bound on the casters/healers, so they don't run to the target.



You're not going to mouse move two different toons effectively, with mouse broadcasting on.
Warcraft is not that precise in lining the toons up.

[lo_ud]

Originally Posted by Ualaa

You're not going to mouse move two different toons effectively, with mouse broadcasting on.
Warcraft is not that precise in lining the toons up.

Thats just it I dont want the 2nd toon to mouse move and with the broad cast mouse on it does. I need a way to be able to turn that off.

For example targeting Death and decay, mass dispel earth quake and so on all i need is the abilty to target the AOE on the 2nd toon when in follow mode. Every time I turn the mouse broad cast on the 2nd toon acts like it has a mind of it's own. It breaks follow and turns the camera when I use the left/right buttons on the mouse controling the main target.

All I'm trying to do is make it so the left/right mouse keys will NOT be passed from 1 game to the next.

[Ualaa]

Disable click to move.

Either go into Interface - Mouse Options, and uncheck the option... or type /console AutoInteract 0

You can do that for both or just the slave toon.
Once done, mouse clicks on the ground will not cause the toon to move.

[Tim]

Did you get the windowed mode figured out? There is an option right on the Pwnboxer program to disable window borders.

[lo_ud]

Originally Posted by Ualaa

Disable click to move.

Either go into Interface - Mouse Options, and uncheck the option... or type /console AutoInteract 0

You can do that for both or just the slave toon.
Once done, mouse clicks on the ground will not cause the toon to move.

This is unacceptable I will NOT turn off click to move because the software is unable to give the choice if you want to pass the mouse buttons. The ONLY reason I had considered this software was because of ability to target on my 2nd screen. This would make looting and questing more then annoying.

I see this as a over sight in the program. In theory the ability to use the mouse on the 2nd screen is great how ever NOT being able to control key pass though makes it a huge let down and IMO creates more issues that it solves.

[lo_ud]

Originally Posted by Tim

Did you get the windowed mode figured out? There is an option right on the Pwnboxer program to disable window borders.

Even if it's set to to remove windows border the windows task bar on the main screen is still there. Yes it removes the border however having the task bar showing makes it.....well I won't play that way. Why won't it let me run windowed full screen, this is how I play using Key Clone and have no issues with the task bar showing.


Messed with the program again today......and I'm still using Key Clone. If I had tryed Pwn Boxer when i first try'd boxing there is no way I would have ever paid for more accounts given the lack of control in the program. From what I had read it gave more control setup with better setup and layout, I do not feel this way.

I could make a list of all the things I don't like about it but I won't. Right now I just want to know how to make it play windowed full screen(per game client) and how to be able to disable the left/right mouse buttons. A very good way would be to give the choice to use a modifier key such as shift or control to you could use the buttons on things like rolls and buying items and have the buttons do nothing the rest of the time.

[Ualaa]

Off hand, not sure of a way to pass mouse activity (movement) and say left clicking, but not right clicking.
As far as I know, none of the boxing softwares are this selective when the mouse broadcasting is on.
With IS Boxer or HKN, you can make repeater regions which will only pass whatever you choose, but that's while the mouse is within the pre-defined area... not when broadcasting has been enabled for the mouse.
Pretty sure every boxing software you try will have the "same limitation".

You can enable and disable the mouse broadcasting whenever you want.

Also you can PiP swap from one region to another (with a character in each region), with most software options.
Some like KC take 2-3 seconds for a swap; HKN and IS Boxer are less than 1 ms for the swaps. Not aware of the swap speed for PB or GCP.
I would assume Pwnboxer would have this capability, as it is one of the top five boxing choices.

I know with IS Boxer I could run with CTM disabled.
And make a mapped key for my IWT key.
With two steps, and execute a step on press or release.
On press, have it enable CTM and then send my IWT keybind to the desired (pre-configured) characters/groups.
And on release, have it disable CTM.
Which lets me CTM+IWT to target friendly NPC's, hostile players/npc's or corpses.
I don't use that functionality, as I'd rather have CTM on always.