Holy Pallies multiboxed - Thoughts?

[Tim]

Has anybody multiboxed holy pallies before?

I find myself using Exorcism in BGs often when I just don't want to run up into their faces. I also see Holy has a crazy amount of heals that heal+1 or aoe heal, not to mention Holy Shock.

It seems like 5x Holy Pallies would be insanely hard to kill, and even do pretty decent damage by spamming Holy Shock, Exorcism, Holy Shock, Exorcism, etc.

I sort of want to try it out, but the gear switch is going to be expensive.

Thoughts?

I could potentially keep my "main" as 1x Prot, and my 4x as Holy, which would probably make instances really easy... not to mention be pretty hardcore in BGs.

[fnade]

Originally Posted by Tim

Has anybody multiboxed holy pallies before?

I could potentially keep my "main" as 1x Prot, and my 4x as Holy, which would probably make instances really easy... not to mention be pretty hardcore in BGs.

This would be just awesome!

I can imagine you running in wsg, chillin, carrying a flag, and no one can kill you!

Sound a lot of fun!

[Ualaa]

I'm leveling my Pallies as 5x Shock'adin.
But they'll most likely end up with:
- Spec 1: 1x Blood & Spec 2: 1x Frost
- Spec 1: 4x Holy & Spec 2: 4x Ret.

Blizzard has drastically increased the DPS on Holy Paladins on MoP/Beta, because trying to do dailies as a solo Holy Pally is extremely painful on live.
It will probably be amongst the lowest damage class/spec in the game, but with four/five of them you'll still blow people up albeit slower than probably any other spec...
The plus side is being able to survive longer than most others, and being very strong healers, to support your side in any battleground.

For leveling, I'm using...
Judgement once, for the 9% spell haste... this spell is otherwise next to useless for Holy, so ideally do this manually and don't build it into a macro sequence.

DPS 1
#show
/castsequence Exorcism, Exorcism
/cast Holy Shock

If you press that slowly, nothing but Exorcism will ever cast.
But if you spam at 2-3 clicks per second (or faster), Holy Shock will cast at every available time except for the very first press of the macro.





My healing is done via two methods.

Firstly, I round-robin clicks to the Grid Frame, for manual control of the healing.

But I also have the same massive healing (and mana eating) pair of macros, as the Pally does on my Pally/4x DK team.

Macro 1:
#show
/castsequence [@focus,exists,nodead] Flash of Light, Flash of Light
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead] Holy Shock

Macro 2:
#show
/castsequence [@focus,exists,nodead] Holy Shock, Holy Shock, Holy Shock, Word of Glory

The mapped key, essentially alternates between these two keys... while the rest of the team does whatever on those same keybinds.
If a given Paladin has a Focus, they spam heal it -- and put out more healing throughput than any other healer in the game can manage.
If they don't have a focus, those keys don't do anything... meaning they can DPS or heal via Grid-Clicks.

I have a somewhat convoluted system with my mapped keys.
I can, in order (round-robin) the setting of focus, with a target=mouseover (over the Grid Frame) via Control + Left Click.
And then Control + Right Click will, in the same order, clearfocus for the Paladins.
Basically, I can have each of the Paladins blow their mana, to keep a single target alive through a lot of focus fire from the other side for about a minute per Paladin... which could mean five minutes (longer because of mana regen) of keeping a single target alive... or could even have multiple Paladins on the same focus target at once.

[kasper3577]

Originally Posted by Ualaa

DPS 1
#show
/castsequence Exorcism, Exorcism
/cast Holy Shock

If you press that slowly, nothing but Exorcism will ever cast.
But if you spam at 2-3 clicks per second (or faster), Holy Shock will cast at every available time except for the very first press of the macro.

This is what I was trying to tell you last night Tim...this is how my tank's dps macro is setup with avenger's shield in the /cast and the judgment and crusader strikes in the /castsequence.

The 2 min cd spells will work in this without exiting the macro if you put them last in the /cast part, and how it 'should' work is:

Example:
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=5 Judgement, Crusader Strike, Crusader Strike, Crusader Strike
/cast Avenger's Shield
/cast Wings(can't remember the right name off the top of my head)

with this example, slowly pressing the button will only ever use the castsequence. But, spamming the button will /cast Avenger's Shield if, and only if, the castsequense is on cd at some point, and Avenger's Shield is available to be cast.

However, I do not know if the second /cast will ever get evaluated for use.
Although, I will go test this on my tankadin on Hellscream and find out in a few minutes.

As for the 5x holy dps, it might be as much as a single mage to mage and a half can put out. As for pvp though, I stay away from holy pallies as non-holy is hard to kill without stuns and interrupts, I don't want to try to kill a pally 6 times vs a hunter once...yes, 6 times, every 3 second greater heal is like 10 seconds you lost towards killing that pally...and when you think you almost got him and he laughs at you and does Lay on Hands...it is just time to give up wasting your time.

To see a group of 5x holy pallies, good god, I will make a b-line in the other direction. Mostly because I know, 100% know, that anything you fight with in that area is going to kill you first.



EDIT:

ok, this:

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=5 Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous, Hammer of the Righteous, Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of the Righteous
/cast Consecration
/cast Avenging Wrath

Works very well, pops wings everytime off cd, casts consecrate when all castsequence is on cd...
However, trying to add another spell after Consecrate that is not a long cd, the one after it fails to work at all. Placing another cast spell like Avenger's Shield before consecrate like:

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=5 Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous, Hammer of the Righteous, Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of the Righteous
/cast Avenger's Shield
/cast Consecration
/cast Avenging Wrath

and Consecration does not work, but wings(Avenging Wrath) works just fine every time it is off cd in both macros.

[Ualaa]

Avenging Wrath.

[Tim]

Holy crap, thanks both, I am going to have a hayday with new macros now!

I was thinking about driving my team in BGs with a Prot Pally, and then 4x Holy. The Prot Pally has ridiculously insane resistance against melee, and the Holy, well, yea.

In instances, I am thinking of sticking to what works really well:

1x Prot Pally
1x Holy Pally who PURELY does my castsequence eternally spammable heal *only* on my Prot Pally
3x Ret Pally who purely do my castsequence of basically divine storm w/fillers

With that combo, pre-Cata, I can almost fall asleep while doing multiple pulls of elites. The AOE damage and healing is that insane. I wonder if I can do it in cata?

Note: Today I ran my Prot Pally through some things solo to get him geared. He is pretty darn geared now, level 81, where my other Pallies are level 80. So we will be doing instances to see how it goes! Well, after I get a lil bit more AH gear for my 3x Ret and 1x Holy.

Thanks for all the feedback, this is insanely fun, mostly because Pallies are just so damn durable!

[Tim]

Holy crap, thanks both, I am going to have a hayday with new macros now!

I was thinking about driving my team in BGs with a Prot Pally, and then 4x Holy. The Prot Pally has ridiculously insane resistance against melee, and the Holy, well, yea.

In instances, I am thinking of sticking to what works really well:

1x Prot Pally
1x Holy Pally who PURELY does my castsequence eternally spammable heal *only* on my Prot Pally
3x Ret Pally who purely do my castsequence of basically divine storm w/fillers

With that combo, pre-Cata, I can almost fall asleep while doing multiple pulls of elites. The AOE damage and healing is that insane. I wonder if I can do it in cata?

Note: Today I ran my Prot Pally through some things solo to get him geared. He is pretty darn geared now, level 81, where my other Pallies are level 80. So we will be doing instances to see how it goes! Well, after I get a lil bit more AH gear for my 3x Ret and 1x Holy.

Thanks for all the feedback, this is insanely fun, mostly because Pallies are just so damn durable!

[Ualaa]

Lax ran that composition... 1x Prot, 1x Holy, 3x Ret, and did really well with it.
You get all of the Seal effects, all the Auras, etc...

The Pally (Holy) is likely the best healer at keeping a single target alive.
And the Prot tank is very easy to play, as a boxer.

Everyone has Divine Shield and Lay on Hands.
You have a lot of Stun options, and off-tanks if necessary.
In MoP, Repentance will be available to all specs, increasing their PvE power drastically.

[kasper3577]

So, in MoP, all pallies will get two stuns...still not as good as a warrior tank, but I will take it.

Edit: Tim, I know you like multiboxing, but multiposting too?

[Ualaa]

I don't see two stuns for Pally's, unless I'm missing something.

Tier 2: Fist of Justice...
It's half the cooldown and double the range.
But there are diminishing returns, so I would likely spec two Pallies into this and the other two into Repentance.
If you take Fist of Justice, that replaces your normal Hammer of Justice.



If you're boxing, in general the easier tanks are Paladin/Druid, with the edge going to the Pally; Death Knights are quite a bit harder to box as a tank, and have the level of efficiency you can achieve with the other two... Warriors are by far the hardest toon to have a lot of efficiency with, while boxing a team.
You can drive anything, and click their abilities... but while boxing you have a lot to manage... the healing/grid, interrupts, positioning the boss and facing, moving DPS out of puddles of acid, etc... The less you need to manage on the tank, the easier it is.