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Old 10-18-2011, 07:58 PM   #11
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Default Re: Found this on the Blizz CS forums.

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I'm afraid that isn't correct. The bannable feature in IS Boxer is this: IS Boxer allows you to press a key and use that to do one action, and then when you release that same key, have it do another action.

So when you type a key a normal way, it does one thing ("a" for example). When you use IS Boxer, it can do a + b, 2 actions. This is what Blizzard specifically has stated is not allowed, ie bannable.

The issue REALLY is this: The IS Boxer developer has knowingly put shady features in his program that put his customers at risk and he knowingly said that these features are AOK. Now that there is a direct response saying something is bannable, he still choose to enable that feature.

Bottom line is morals (or in his case, lack thereof).

Here is a question that has been asked of me many times. Why do I care? Why does Tim Sullivan give a rats ass what other multiboxing softwares do and if their developers are shady or not?

Easy answer:

Which is more likely for Blizzard to do?

Publish a list of acceptable multiboxing softwares, thus giving those software developers HUGE amounts of cash for being on that list and having that list crush their competition by banning softwares not on that list?

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Simply disallow multiboxing as a whole. Keep in mind the WoW community is overall split when it comes to multiboxing in the first place.


The answer is so easily understood, isn't it? Blizzard will not confuse their customer base by saying what software is which, nor will they give free marketing revenue to softwares on that list. Blizzard will 100% choose to simply disallow multiboxing entirely.

The multiboxing playstyle has always been "on the fence" at Blizzard. The implications of what IS Boxer is doing goes outside of the shady, unethical and immoral practices of its developer. The implications affect anybody who multiboxes.

Do not fight the 8000000 lb rule-making gorilla on this. Do not force Blizzard's hand. Be nice, play along, and don't push boundaries when they are so obviously on the fence of closing down acceptable to multiboxing in the first place.


TLDR/Summary: Only do what Blizzard allows, don't push them, and multiboxing will probably stay around forever. If you push Blizzard hard then Blizzard may very well push back and disallow multiboxing.


Ok first things first thing, ISBoxer has the option to use one of the following three options when pressing a hotkey, be it a single key or a combination of keys. As shown in the image above, you can either set that particular hotkey to a "Press" or "Release", or "Press or Release". With either of these options, that keypress can only be used for one hotkey, and you there are no options within ISBoxer to execute a separate command on the release.

ISBoxer is not pushing the boundaries of the EULA, they are playing well within the field in fact. I saw that post and the Blue clearly stated that you cannot have a separate action take place on the release. Hell he even says you can have your character move on the press, and stop on the release. Isn't that what the W key does anyway? Hard-coded within WOW anyway?

Bottom line is I searched through ISBoxer deeply, and I saw no way to have two actions execute seperately on a press/release option. You can have your "1" key execute on the press, while pressing the "2" key will only activate on the release if you so please, but still, its a one action procedure.

Bottom line is both PWNBoxer and ISBoxer are abiding by the rules of the EULA, if that was not the case, they would make a public post in the forums about it. But I have not seen such.

And as for multiboxers, they won't ban multiboxing cause we pay anywhere from 2x to 25x the amount the average wow player. Though most are in the 2x to 5x range. Not to mention, lots of people have multiple accounts that don't multibox, just for purposes of a mage port, more characters on a realm for things like transmutes, etc...

I think we're safe.
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Old 10-19-2011, 04:40 AM   #12
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Default Re: Found this on the Blizz CS forums.

Hmm, well if its not possible to map something to both up and down event, then the developer is giving weird info. Since he said its in there and staying lol.

About the multiboxing, banning and such.. game developers have done weirder things in the past.. just think about runescape not having free trade for 3-4 years because of gold sellers.
The point i tried to make is that we shouldn't even get close to that line between broadcasting actions and automation. You cant guess if blizzard will or will not take action at some point. Maybe they will never change attitude, maybe with next x-pack multiboxing will be completely impossible cause of some weird DRM system.. The fact is we won't know till stuff changes, the best thing we as a community can do is be transparent and honest about what we do and be VERY clear towards blizzard that we respect their rules.. and then act like that as well
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Old 10-19-2011, 09:36 PM   #13
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Default Re: Found this on the Blizz CS forums.

The wow GM's and Customers Assistance people have given contradictory information many times.

The developers are the ones who can tell you what is actually allowed and now allowed at any given time.

As long as everything that happens is a direct result of something that you push or click at the time that the event occurs, you'll be okay.
If you can push something now, and something happens now and then something else happens later without a new input/click/pushing of a key/etc... well that's not a good idea.
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Old 10-20-2011, 06:15 AM   #14
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I don't believe that Blizzard allows multiboxing because it puts more money in their pockets. Blizzard could make a lot of money if they didn't ban bots and farmers. In fact, they could probably make a lot more by agreeing to leave them alone. The number of accounts that would be paid up for botting and farming would, at least for a while, be much greater than the number of accounts that would be closed because of them.

Also, Blizzard defended multiboxing as a valid play style when there were only a fraction of the number of multiboxers as there are today. I know that at least a few members of the design/development team multiboxed in Everquest, and at least a few Blizzard employees have admitted to doing so in WoW. It is not something new or foreign to them.

As for tools that can be used to break the rules, I recall that Blizzard not only allowed, but actually endorsed the G15 keyboard, which allows users to create one-key macros that incorporate timed delays. You wouldn't get banned for using a G15-- you'd get banned for using it to cheat.

If they believe that IS Boxer can be used to break the rules, they have a number of options. They can ban users who use the specific option that allows them to cheat. They can forbid (and possibly disable?) the software altogether. They could even contact the developer with their concerns and see if they can get him to change the software. I doubt that their reaction would be to ban multiboxing.
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