Failing Bad in Dungeons

[Strom]

Over the last month ive been working on trying to get 1 of each class done
Nearly there so decided to take a break.
So for couple days ive been doing dungeons

1st team
1 Protection pali lvl 71
3x elemental shaman lvl 62
1 disc priest lvl 68

Ramparts just managed it, shammies die twice
Mana tombs failed on first mob, then failed on first boss twice
No matter what i do they always go for the shammies



2nd team
1 protection pali lvl 72
4x disc priests lvl 60, 1 is 68

Ramparts managed with only pali left, priests die.
Scholomance, fail on 2nd mob twice.

I just dont get what im doing wrong
im using omen3 to check aggro and no matter how much aggro my pali pulls the mobs allways go for the 3 lvl 60 priests even though they are causing no aggro with nova spam.
Using the set up tim did with his 1 pali 4 discs team

Am i supposed to keep all 5 the same level, am i failing because i have a higher level pali
My guys are poorly geared since been RAFing them all

[Tai]

Obviously its a threat problem, assuming your doing the right rotation, maybe Try tanking with only heals for 30secs or so before engaging DPS

Rotation usually goes something like Hammer of the Righteous, Judgement, Shield of the Righteous, Holy Shield, Hammer of the Righteous, Consecration, Shield of the Righteous, Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous... etc etc. always keeping your consecration up..
Some tanks start off with Avengers Shield, especially useful when engaging casters

What your doing wrong is hard for anyone to say unless you could provide a video of the problem...

[Ualaa]

I found when the healer is quite a bit lower then the tank, they seem to get an enormous amount of threat. I did quite a few of the WotLK dungeons, with the other toons at appropriate level, but the tank 5-6 levels ahead of the curve, and had a similar issue; just a few heals, and the mob went and killed the healer.

When everyone is at appropriate levels for the instance, it is more challenging, but also the threat level is where you would expect it to be. Personally, I'd avoid dungeons until you're at the point where you can start heroics. But if you enjoy them, don't let my opinion sway you.

You could try engaging with the tank first, pre-load HOT heals and a Shield effect. And wait a bit for threat. In the Ramparts fight, fire resist is absolutely critical for any toon who is at the appropriate level. It is more important then any other stat for the final boss.

[lofblad]

This may be a stupid question: Are you using Righteous Fury on the pally? I have forgotten it a couple of times.

[Strom]

Yep i have forgotton righteous fury a few times.

i failed to check 2 priests gear, they were wearing level 1-15 gear :/

so i went and made a few things with a tailor to help a bit, ran through stratholme couple times (no mount drop ) and scholomance and it went pretty amazing, the 2 priests died 3-4 times but im just putting it down to gear and there need to be close for novas.

Just need to get some holy nova glyphs

But still a few problems with cast sequences.
Basically i cast shields but sometimes they wont cast or will cast on themselves
Pain suppression again will either fail (not on cooldown) or 2 may cast at once

pali sequence most of the time just fails..avengers shield will cast but sometimes wont continue until cooldown.
Pali castsequence

/castsequence Consecration, Hammer of the Righteous, Holy Shield, Avenger's Shield,

This and holy nova on one key.


priest 1
/Target Charlton
/castsequence reset=35 Power Word: Shield,,

/Target Charlton
/castsequence reset=35 Pain Suppression,,,

priest2
/Target Charlton
/castsequence reset=35 ,Power Word: Shield,,

/Target Charlton
/castsequence reset=35 ,Pain Suppression,,

Priest 3
/Target Charlton
/castsequence reset=35 ,,Power Word: Shield,

/Target Charlton
/castsequence reset=35 ,,Pain Suppression,

Priest 4
/Target Charlton
/castsequence reset=35 ,,,Power Word: Shield

/Target Charlton
/castsequence reset=35 ,,,Pain Suppression

[Ualaa]

You could try pre-casting Renew from every priest, prior to the pull. Same thing with PW: Shield from any one of them. While you have the weakened soul debuff, you cannot be reshielded by any of the priests, but if you precast this and wait 5-10 seconds, then precast renew and pull with Avenger's Shield... the weakened soul should expire before you need it again.

Putting PW:Shield in a castsequence won't really help you, as once it lands (from any priest) you have the debuff for 15 seconds during which time it cannot land from any source. This might be decent with 1-2 pushes to hit the entire team, or perhaps go with a castsequence (on a single priest only) which targets the tank first, then the rest of the group in sequential order, but with a short reset so if you don't spam it, it resets to targeting the tank... in which case, you wait for the weakened soul debuff to expire and recast shield shortly thereafter.

Since the tank is so much higher then the priests, try to do nothing with the priests for as long as possible, as they will get a lot more threat then their action would normally generate if everyone were equal level. This problem will alleviate itself as the level gap closes. You can always quest the team, instead of instance if you don't want to deal with this now.



I wouldn't build Pain Suppression into a default spammed macro. It is something special, which like an innervate, bubble or evocation should be used when it will count. A disc priest has the best twitch heal in the game (Penance), but is much stronger at preventing damage than at healing damage; if you want big numbers on the heals go holy, but if you want to prevent the need for healing, precast the shields and time the Pain Suppression(s) accordingly.



Holy Nova is a very decent AoE heal, but its not your only tool. After casting PW: Shield on a target, you have a substantial amount of haste. While you have this, Prayer of Healing is not that long of a cast. You might not need it initially, but this combo is extremely powerful for AoE healing with a Disc Priest and is much more mana efficient.

[Team Evil]

Obviously it's not obvious.

My paladin is able to hold aggro against = lvl and geared shamans and boomkin without consecration or avengers shield sometimes even using seal of wisdom.
Always make sure righteous fury is on.

I think it's your strategy that needs looking at.

Ramparts:

FYI grounding eats the fire. Pull the first boss up the ramp to kill cycling grounding totems. Then go back to fight the dragon. Use the arrow keys or a follow/break to move out of fire if they get in it.

Also most mobs don't cleave anymore so my shamans and druid are on my paladins butt and cant do TS and magma/fire nova if needed.

Mana Tombs:

The marauder or whatever uses the one handed axe charges targets far away every few seconds. (not your tanking). Having them on your butt = no charge. The first boss is tank and spank. When he enters the void DO NOT ATTACK you take massive damage and get knocked back. Tank usually tanks him facing the barrier in middle of room and ranged dps is back near the entrance wall.

The second boss has aoe stun but maybe a 25 yard range so just keep ranged back far.

The only other hard thing are the rogue mobs later that gouge the tank. Save the TS for that and always pull them back to a clear spot. PVP trinket ftw.

*Always make sure paladin attack first. DO NOT EVER PLACE HOTS etc. Get your tanking down first. Paladin doesn't really need a rotation. A lot of boxers use the 69696 setup. I just do it manually.

First mob in pull and bosses I open with hand of reckoning/flame shock/insect swarm. This will hold aggro for 3 sec no matter what and give the paladin 1-2 more attacks before the shamans ever fire off the first cast. Avenger shield = chain lightning and my HOR = lightning bolt. Group up similar attacks. The only time I ever have aggro issues is if righteous fury isn't on and I'm using SOW instead of corruption. Also if I pop trinket and bloodlust and EM and fire off LB right away, but that is a given.

[Strom]

Ok i decided to level up the shamans a bit more
currently at level 66 and one at 64

So took them with pali through stratholme, ramparts 3 times, blood furnace 3 times and mana tombs once.

Blood furnace no faults at all, one very easy instance.

Ramparts they pretty much power through all without much health lost, until final boss.
I can finish by doing that little glitch of making main die by the 2 mob then taking the dragons health down to minimum so it lands straight away upon boss fight, but its not really a way i want to resort myself to playing.

So with ramparts final boss, just lay totems and move shammies forward away from the grounding totems for the AOE?.
Im still learning with the shammies, i guess a fault with RAF level grants boosting them straight to 60.

I had 1 pali, 3 shammies and a priest.. Removed the priest as it wasnt really working well so went with 4 elementals, thinking of making one resto. but so far its ok with chain heal, 4 healing totems with glyphs but at a cost to mana regen.
Not sure on all totems that actually stack.

Im not sure if its a fault with PWNboxer or not but sometimes spells/regroup just refuse to work, or i have to actually move the mouse to the alt window and press and then where back to normal for awhile :/
Its rather annoying when your in the middle of a fight and one has refused to do anything.

[Tim]

One note really quick is that the Ramparts dragon boss is actually really, really difficult for a multiboxer, due to how fast it will breath fireballs which do a LOT of AOE damage. So don't rate your team too much on that boss. I always have problems with it.

You can always attack the Ramparts dragon boss while he is flying around before you even pull those 2 guys outside his area. Get him down to 5% before starting the boss fight and it will be a breeze.

[Paul1337noob]

Originally Posted by Tim

You can always attack the Ramparts dragon boss while he is flying around.

O'Rly, that i didnt know